Well spoke to North Face again, they tried to order a size 13 for me but there are none left. Once again asked if anything else would be accepted to which the answer is really no. It is the technology that drew me to North Face so without the technology no reason to stick with them. Instead they will see what is going to be available for the fall that uses the BOA tech and let me know. This may require me to wait another 3-4 months but possibly may allow me to get a product closer to what I want rather then just pick something to be done with them.